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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 687

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for the 5th of december 2021

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richard saunders coming to you from just

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outside the skeptic's own studios

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because the birds are going mad

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the rainbow lorikeets and other birds

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and probably big bird who knows

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and

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instead of

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trying to cover up the

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window in the studio and

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hoping for the best i thought i'd just

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come out and let the birds

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chirp

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which you can hear right now if you

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google rainbow lorikeet

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that's most of the birds you're hearing

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at the moment anyway what's coming up on

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this week's show we're going to start

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with a bizarre story

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of a man who was uh

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fighting the lockdown rules when it came

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to having patrons in his pub

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and he appeared in court the other day

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to face those charges

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and it looks like he tried to pull a

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swifty a little bit of a sovereign

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citizen on the judge find out what

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happened coming up at the top of the

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show

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then following that another wonderful

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report from our dear

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reporter shelly stockton who sadly

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passed away earlier in the year

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and this report dates back from about

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five or six years

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and it's all about twins shelley was a

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twin

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and she talks about how people expected

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her

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to be psychic

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then from melbourne it's michelle

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who yesterday

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attended or observed is probably the

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best word

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an anti-lockdown freedom rally

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an interesting report where she reads

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lists some of the

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shall we say interesting placards and

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posters she saw along the way

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what were these people chanting what

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were they saying find out with michelle

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bickersma

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following that it's the australian

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skeptics newsletter written by tim

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mendem and read by adrian hill in canada

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yes it all makes sense

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and to round off the show this week

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trove

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looks at references in digitized

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australian newspapers going back many

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decades to

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homeopathy

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yes the

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the quintessential quackery

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the definition the dictionary definition

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of quackery

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homeopathy

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stay tuned at the end of the episode for

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more announcements from me but now it's

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time for me to uh actually just walk

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down this path here

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and on the other side of the street is a

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little cafe and who knows

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who knows maybe they have fish and chips

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haven't had fish and chips for a while

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i think my dream is to have fish and

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chips one day by the sea if you know

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what i mean

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so while i check that out i hope you

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enjoy

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now as i said at the top of the show

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here's a story

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about a licensee of a pub here in new

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south wales who faced court

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because he was allegedly and now he's

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been convicted of breaching the covert

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which sort of

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and i suspect freeman of the land

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and this is a report from the local news

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service in that area singleton

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new south wales the singleton argus

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singleton licensee who took a stand on

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and this story gets a little strange

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bradley john hill the licensee of a

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hunter valley pub that repeatedly

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breached public health orders

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thursday to cheers and applause and

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of placard waving supporters

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people holding up signs saying free

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another sign on a car says my freedom

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but the reactions outside had belied the

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reality of what occurred inside

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a bizarre spectacle during which mr hill

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and was promptly convicted and fined

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three thousand dollars mr hill had come

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for his day in court and had hoped to

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say something presumably judging by the

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signs outside about the covert 19

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pandemic and vaccines

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but magistrate mark richardson was not

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willing to entertain anything but a plea

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and things immediately got off to an

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unusual start

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unmasked mr hill approached the

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microphone and was asked if he was

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bradley john hill

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mr hill is not in court

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he replied i am bradley john

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mr richardson then asked a sheriff to

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have mr hill called outside

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and despite the fact he was standing

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right there mr hill said nothing the

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magister then asked the police

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prosecutor what she wanted to do and she

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again despite him standing there

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richardson if he had read his affidavit

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in a flash while mr hill was standing

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there he was convicted in his absence

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and find a total of three thousand

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dollars for three separate breaches of

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and on the back of her shirt is covered

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mr hill then walked outside to a round

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of applause from supporters who asked

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quickly declared it a victory in their

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many waving flags and signs that read

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things like brad stood with us we stand

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they played music and peacefully chatted

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while a large contingent of police

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officers looked on now later on in this

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report it says according to court

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documents mr hill was fined on october

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11 referred to by some as freedom day

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the first day public health orders came

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without being vaccinated against covert

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link to this in the show notes but it

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claiming that he actually won the case

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or the case was thrown out

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historical record he was found

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on another website reporting on the

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story this one from the nine

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tv network as it happens we see a

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photograph of somebody outside the

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courthouse waving what we call the

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eureka flag and you'll often see this

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flag being

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waved around at so-called freedom

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it's a blue flag

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and which runs vertically and

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horizontally and

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five big stars over the cross on each of

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the points of the cross and one in the

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and the eureka flag it says here in

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wikipedia by the way was flown at the

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battle of the eureka stockade which took

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place on the 3rd of december 1854

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1851-1854 eureka rebellion

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of the victorian gold fields where

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miners protested against the cost of

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mining permits and i think it's a little

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unfair though it has been done

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nevertheless it's something that's

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dragged out when people are protesting

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or they think their freedom is under

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threat or something like that it's a

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reminder of

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a rebellion from another century

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but getting back to the court case i

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this gentleman at the center of the

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may have received some very um

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but another strange story in the long

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line of strange stories

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involving covert 19

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the skeptic the journal from australian

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and click the magazine link

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there you will also find free to

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interesting claims

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questioning

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hi this is shelly stockin and

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i think

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i'm psychic

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yeah

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i mean i haven't accurately predicted

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the future

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or spoken to any dead people recently

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but for many years over and over again

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i've been told by people even people i

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hardly know

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that i'm psychic

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now when someone i meet discovers i'm a

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twin a typical exchange goes like this

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oh my god you're a twin

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yes

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are you identical

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yes

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do you know what your sister's thinking

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can you feel her pain are you psychic

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many many people are convinced that

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twins have a special psychic connection

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that they read each other's thoughts or

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that they in fact share a single mind

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where does this idea come from

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perhaps the first reference to twin

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telepathy is in alexander dumas 1844

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novella the corsican brothers

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in which conjoined twin brothers

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separated at birth continued to feel the

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since then the idea that twins share

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thoughts and sensations has been

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repeated over and over in books films

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and other forms of popular culture

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to the point where it's become a widely

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it's not unusual for twins to finish

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each other's sentences when speaking or

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think of each other when they're

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physically separated which only serves

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to confirm the psychic idea in some

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people's minds including some twins

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some even make careers out of it

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most famously linda and terry jemison

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otherwise known as the psychic twins

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have built something of an empire around

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their claimed psychic abilities

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more than just a sideshow of cute tweeny

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coincidences

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these twins born in pennsylvania and now

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living in california have been making

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money from their skills for more than 25

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years and claim to have predicted 911

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several aeroplane crashes and the paris

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terror attacks

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there appears to be as much evidence for

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the psychic twins abilities as there is

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for any other celebrity psychics

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but what about my own personal

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experience

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i can remember my sister and i having

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the same dream on the same night when we

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were children

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when we were a little older out dancing

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in the city

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i developed a sudden headache

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just outside the nightclub my sister had

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accidentally been pushed over and had

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hit her head on a wall

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one day we turned up at a birthday party

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wearing the same brand and style of

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jeans which we'd bought from the same

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online store during the previous week

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and recently without any prior

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consultation we met each other at the

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airport wearing black suits black shoes

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and black and white striped tops

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we are constantly finishing each other's

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sentences

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we can often manage to have a complete

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conversation using little more than a

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few grunts and giggles in our own

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special language

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is all this evidence of psychic

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abilities

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science says no

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none of the studies done on twins show

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any convincing evidence of telepathy esp

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or other psychic phenomena

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for example in 1993 susan blackmore and

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francis chamberlain performed tests on

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identical twins in which they were

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placed in separate rooms and asked to

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draw a picture choose a photograph or

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write a number that their sibling was

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thinking of

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the researchers performed these tests

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under conditions that would indicate if

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the twins performance was due to thought

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concordance that is thinking more

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similarly than other people or esp

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the discussion of the study in the

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journal of the society for psychical

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research says quote

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in many everyday situations thought

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concordance might easily be

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misinterpreted as a meaningful

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coincidence as telepathy or some other

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form of esp

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if twins have greater thought

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concordance than others then they are

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likely to have these experiences more

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often

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this in turn may encourage them to think

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they have experienced the paranormal or

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have psychic ability whether they do or

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not

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end quote dr nancy seagal director of

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the twin study center at california

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state university also says no

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when asked about the existence of an

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extrasensory connection between twins in

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an interview for national geographic she

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said

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i've never directly witnessed anything

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like that

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twins do sometimes say they can sense

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when the other is in trouble

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of course when you worry about somebody

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20 times a day

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chances are that one of those times

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they're going to really need your help

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that doesn't make it telepathy

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despite what nancy seagal and other

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researchers say the spookily frequent

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coincidences that occur with twins are

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still pretty amazing

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at least they seem amazing until you

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think about how many thinkings happen

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that aren't coincidences

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i mean i'll always recall the night my

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sister and i had the same dream

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but the many thousands of nights we've

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dreamed differently are easily forgotten

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for every day that i've chosen the same

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outfit as my sister there have been

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hundreds and hundreds of days i haven't

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and that night i had a headache when my

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sister injured her head

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it was late at night i'd been drinking

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alcohol and dancing to loud music a

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headache was almost inevitable

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of course amazing coincidences happen to

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people who aren't twins too

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but if we already have it in our minds

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that twins have a kind of psychic

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connection then that will influence our

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perception of an anecdote

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for example if you hear about two

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totally unrelated people who both marry

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doctors and both have two children two

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years apart

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you might not think much of it

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but if it's a pair of twins separated at

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birth who do the same thing you might

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the experiences my sister and i have

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shared might seem incredible to some

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people and appear to demonstrate amazing

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psychic abilities

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but they're really no big deal if you

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consider we grew up at exactly the same

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time and spent nearly every minute of

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every day in each other's company until

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we finished school

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we still speak to each other every day

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so we know each other better than most

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people can know anyone

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we share the same memories which are

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triggered by the same words or events

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we approach situations and react to

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stimuli in similar ways

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we're attracted to similar people and

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things

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we have similar values standards

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passions and puns

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people often treat us as if we were the

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same person

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with that kind of background

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having the same thoughts and dreams

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seems rather less remarkable

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even so i still think i might be psychic

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at least as psychic as any other psychic

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person i've met

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now just before i go i want to say hi to

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my sister joe if you're listening

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which i already know you are of course

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because i'm psychic

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also because i told you i was doing this

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and when it was coming out and if you

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don't listen to it i'll be pretty

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annoyed

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but mostly because

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you know the psychic thing

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[Music]

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g'day this is dr carl karl kruschmusky

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proud to be a skeptic and you can find

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out more about me at drcarl.com and get

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[Music]

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hi this is michelle bickersma and i

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thought i'd share with you my experience

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of the freedom protest in melbourne

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looking out of an apartment window in

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melbourne's northern central business

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district i saw a small protest

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many of the participants were wearing

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fluoro

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and i thought it could be the final

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throws of the anti-vaccine

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anti-pandemic laws protests we've been

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experiencing in melbourne on saturdays

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for quite a number of weeks now

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however

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when i went down onto the street

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i was encouraged to see that it was

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actually an anti-fascist protest with

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the usual crowd nowhere in sight

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however

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it was still early

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and my niggling feeling that it was not

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going to be that quiet in the city was

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soon justified

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[Music]

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on my way home from checking out the

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christmas decorations around the town

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i reached the protest i had been

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expecting to see

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there was a variety of chanting

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the people united will never be defeated

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no more mandates

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my kid my choice

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a take on my body my choice of course

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and

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no passport

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in reference to the vaccine certificate

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and

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set against a background of general

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chattering

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festival horn tooting whistle blowing

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music

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and even some hari krishnas

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who i think were on the side doing their

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own thing as i had seen them elsewhere

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minutes prior

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it was peaceful at the time that i was

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present and included families and

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children

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amongst some more slightly intimidating

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types

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but interestingly

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gone was the fluro of the construction

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workers from previous protests

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while i can't estimate the numbers

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i was able to walk the length of the

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protest

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up and down for a few city blocks

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taking photos so

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perhaps it was smaller than previous

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protests now that the new pandemic laws

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have been passed through both houses of

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state parliament

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the pandemic laws have replaced the

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state of emergency powers and have been

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hotly debated they give the premier and

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health minister the power to declare a

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pandemic and enforce restrictions such

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as vaccine mandates and mass squaring

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for three months at a time

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previously it was the chief health

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officer that had the power to declare a

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pandemic and issue health orders

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this brings victoria more into line with

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what occurs in other states

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strange that we are not seeing protests

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of this size in the rest of the country

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if the laws are so reminiscent of a

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dictatorship but anyway

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amongst the protesters were bearers of

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the eureka flag

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these flags originated during the unfair

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licensing system of the gold rush era

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and depict a symbol of the southern

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cross constellation

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they usually symbolize the struggle of

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the worker against authoritarianism

582
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there were also those carrying the red

583
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australian flag that is used by the

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australian merchant navy and has been

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appropriated by sovereign citizens

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during the pandemic

587
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finally there were some regular

588
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blue australian flags one with mandated

589
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painted on it

590
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one

591
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don't tread on me gadsden flag

592
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and even one trump flag complete with a

593
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picture of the former president

594
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there was also one aboriginal australian

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flag

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i was curious about the placards so

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decided i would photograph some and

598
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include them in this report

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i was clearly not one of the supporters

600
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taking snaps with my conspicuous

601
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japanese print mask

602
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giving the thumbs down signal to any

603
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office to join them when a protester

604
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asked if i knew what they were there for

605
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i refused to engage

606
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any further than nodding that i did

607
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i did not fancy taking my mask off for a

608
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discussion after almost 30 people from

609
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the protests last week have received

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positive tests

611
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i also suspected it was probably not

612
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worth getting into

613
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,360
there were a number of activists

614
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promoting political parties with

615
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placards such as the liberal democratic

616
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less government more freedom

617
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,080
and the clive palmer united party

618
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freedom freedom freedom

619
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there were signs relating to the premier

620
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such as sac dan andrews but no gallows

621
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carried in the streets this time

622
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i did however see one inflatable

623
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daniel andrews punching bag

624
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charming

625
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the various conspiracy theory groups

626
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appear to have been represented with

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placards such as

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stop the satanic ritual abuse of

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children

630
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max egan woke me up

631
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:48,640
king

632
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:51,679
dictator dan and slug gate are just

633
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global puppets

634
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and

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humanity

636
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:02,960
with a list too long to mention

637
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,080
make what you will of this one

638
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:09,120
eureka rebellion is fate

639
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,480
lock up file police

640
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:14,559
now polly's is spelled

641
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,430
and i'm assuming file police is actually

642
00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:26,080
pedophile police

643
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,520
as in p-o-l-i-e-s

644
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:31,840
politicians not sure

645
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:34,640
if there's one thing real vampires have

646
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:37,520
in common it is their reluctance to tell

647
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,960
the world who they really are

648
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:43,440
religious signs included

649
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,480
lord we can't afford justice

650
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:48,480
we need mercy

651
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:49,679
and

652
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but

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spiritual evil in high places

654
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,679
some placards are about freedom with

655
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viva la liberte

656
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,279
when you trade liberty for safety you

657
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,399
end up losing both

658
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,039
the freedoms you surrender today

659
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,080
are the freedoms your grandchildren will

660
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,320
never know existed

661
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:20,480
last year's mask

662
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,200
is this year's forced vaccine

663
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,720
is next year's social credit system

664
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then there is

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kill the bill say no

666
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with a picture of a sickle and hammer

667
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:35,840
if you have to show proof that you are

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free then you're not

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nuremberg

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2.0

671
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:44,640
consent not coercion

672
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,679
safe state equals no bullying

673
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,600
no discrimination

674
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:52,159
right to participate

675
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,480
the green check isn't freedom

676
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,360
say no to vaccine mandates passports

677
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,679
stop segregation

678
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:04,399
and finally in this category

679
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,840
this is a vaccine passport and it shows

680
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,919
a hand with the middle finger sticking

681
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:12,159
up as a rude gesture there were

682
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:16,240
so-called health style messages such as

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00:29:21,789 --> 00:29:20,240
omicron is spread by the vaxxed

684
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:21,799
no to

685
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,279
myocarditis in our young ones

686
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,799
omnicrap

687
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,520
we need another booster

688
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,360
wake up vic

689
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:33,840
there was also a theme about vaccines

690
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,159
and children such as hands off our kids

691
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,200
i'm not an extremist i'm a mother

692
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,600
standing up for her children

693
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,760
where are you

694
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,080
and there was a disgruntled

695
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,360
worker carrying a sign saying

696
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:52,799
no jab

697
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,600
no job swim teacher shortage

698
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,240
let kids swim

699
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,360
finally

700
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,720
there were the

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00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:05,760
we are not the sheeple style of placards

702
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,200
there was a quote that stated hard times

703
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:11,840
create strong men

704
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:15,760
strong men create good times

705
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:19,440
good times create weak men

706
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:23,840
and weak men create hard times

707
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:27,360
there was also the most humble

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00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,549
to end i'll leave you with this one

709
00:31:07,669 --> 00:30:38,799
they fear you

710
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,679
what they fear most of all is we are the

711
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,000
majority

712
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,880
we are the power

713
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:15,519
they are the bottom feeders

714
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:19,600
without any life force of their own

715
00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:25,990
this has been michelle bickersma

716
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[Music]

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00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,360
hi i'm ben radford co-host of squaring

718
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,039
strange podcast

719
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,600
in these trying times as we help each

720
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,600
other out to hold on to hope we want you

721
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,600
to know that we're here for you hey hey

722
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,600
what are you going on about

723
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:50,960
who's interrupting my heartfelt

724
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,000
promotional copy it's me celestia ward

725
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,159
your co-host

726
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:59,039
really in these trying times that's the

727
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,559
best you can do

728
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,000
well i'm just doing what everyone else

729
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,919
is doing i thought

730
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,960
that's

731
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,559
not what we do

732
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,559
oh for crying out loud who else is here

733
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,760
pasqual romero your other co-host

734
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,640
hey

735
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,440
we don't do what everybody else does ben

736
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,039
that's kind of our thing at squaring the

737
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,519
strange yeah we try to approach things a

738
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,279
little differently than your standard

739
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,519
skeptical talky talk show

740
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,000
we do our own thing bringing science

741
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:28,320
critical thinking and skepticism to bear

742
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,919
on issues of the day

743
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,519
we've got a professional skeptical

744
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,720
author ben

745
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,399
who has decades of experience

746
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,120
researching topics for a dozen books and

747
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,679
thousands of articles and a cartoonist

748
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,519
skeptic celestia who knows her stuff

749
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,279
when it comes to facial weirdness and

750
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,360
the psychology of perception and a

751
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,840
badass heavy metal rock star and tech

752
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,080
engineer pasquel who brings knowledge of

753
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:52,000
all things audio plus a bunch of neck

754
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,039
tattoos

755
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,880
squaring the strange explores topics

756
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,120
both mysterious and mundane through a

757
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,080
critical lens monsters panics media

758
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,760
literacy

759
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,240
okay forget the whole trying times promo

760
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,720
idea but we have chupacabras and clown

761
00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:08,000
panics right

762
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:10,580
yes yes ben

763
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,120
[Music]

764
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,360
hello everyone it's adrian hill here

765
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,519
again from canada here to read the

766
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,679
highlights from the australian skeptics

767
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:37,279
newsletter

768
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,880
it delivered to your inbox every other

769
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:47,440
week complete with links to all the

770
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:56,070
but now let's get to the newsletter and

771
00:34:02,870 --> 00:33:59,919
see what tim mendom has in store for us

772
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:02,880
hi all it says well skepticon has been

773
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,760
and gone but the memory lingers on and

774
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,600
judging by comments those memories are

775
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,119
very positive

776
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,200
i certainly enjoyed it but if you'd

777
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,359
still like to see what went on you can

778
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,359
view recordings of all the presentations

779
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,560
just by buying a ticket to the

780
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,040
convention i recommend you do not the

781
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,440
live event unfortunately but all of the

782
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,240
content just the same

783
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,560
meanwhile you can catch up on the latest

784
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:28,879
news and articles here as we head into

785
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,079
the silly season at the end of the year

786
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:33,440
read on

787
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,200
psychics abysmal record

788
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:43,200
you probably didn't know that the queen

789
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:48,399
abdicated in 2003 2004 2012 and again in

790
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,679
2020 or that anti-gravity would become a

791
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:54,399
reality prince harry would be king king

792
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:57,839
henry ix mark latham our prime minister

793
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,640
hillary clinton the president of the usa

794
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:03,599
an ice age in europe and covet 19 would

795
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,440
just go away by december 2020

796
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,599
thus the character of much of the claims

797
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,280
revealed in the great australian psychic

798
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,200
prediction project the results of which

799
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,200
were released at skepticon

800
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,200
richard saunders and his crew spent 12

801
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,000
years collecting predictions over 3 800

802
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,119
of them from over 200 of australia's

803
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:25,440
best psychics and sears in the two

804
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,960
decades from 2000 to 2020 and the vast

805
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,200
majority were wrong

806
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,160
their success rate has been abysmal only

807
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,560
11 of their predictions were correct

808
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,000
with 89

809
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:40,400
either wrong too big or expected to

810
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,440
happen

811
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,240
the full story in glorious detail will

812
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:46,800
be in the december issue of the skeptic

813
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,839
the journal from australian skeptics

814
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,320
and i have to say what an honor it was

815
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,000
to participate in this project for the

816
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,480
last year in a bit and i really hope

817
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,240
that the international friendships i

818
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,640
formed will last a really long time and

819
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,640
that one day we're actually going to get

820
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,800
to meet in person

821
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,599
covet vaccines don't violate the

822
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,079
nuremberg code

823
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,320
people opposing vaccine mandates or

824
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:14,800
covet vaccines more broadly have claimed

825
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,240
that vaccines violate the nuremberg code

826
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,720
they say covet vaccines are experimental

827
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,880
and people have been coerced into

828
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,119
vaccination they say this breaches the

829
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,920
ethical code drawn up after world war ii

830
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,240
to guide medical research and human

831
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,760
clinical trials

832
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,920
but this argument is flawed

833
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,079
here's why the nuremberg code doesn't

834
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,839
apply and how to correct this

835
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,599
misunderstanding

836
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:41,920
don't forget that the link to this story

837
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,720
is provided in the newsletter

838
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,280
body language pseudoscience flourishing

839
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,800
on youtube

840
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,960
surprise surprise

841
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,119
a long article on the art of reading

842
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,920
body movements and poses quote in

843
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,320
celebrity interviews and homicide cases

844
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,320
video sleuths are searching for the

845
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:03,119
truth but what if the signals are wrong

846
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,570
end quote

847
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:07,440
[Music]

848
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,640
anti-vaxxer tour of covet 19 hospital

849
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:12,640
goes awry

850
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,160
more than awry one physician said what

851
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,000
had been intended as an educational

852
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,480
event at russian hospitals turned into

853
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,640
quote a circus end quote

854
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:24,960
evidence that it is sadly pointless

855
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,440
trying to educate confirmed zealots even

856
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:29,520
sadder is the fact that russia is only

857
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,119
37 percent double vaccinated

858
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,640
mysticism pseudoscience and nazism

859
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,440
long article on how supernatural ideas

860
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,599
were widespread at the turn of the 20th

861
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,000
century especially in germany and how

862
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:46,400
during quote the social crisis following

863
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,280
world war 1 esoteric and border science

864
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,000
ideas became a powerful tool of nazi

865
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,359
mobilization directed at demonizing jews

866
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:57,920
and the left end quote a bit dry in

867
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,359
places but interesting discussion

868
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,079
detectives of the dark investigate the

869
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,160
paranormal

870
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,800
a short piece on a team of ghost hunters

871
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,640
what makes this one different is it is a

872
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,480
team in india which you don't often hear

873
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,240
about despite the common belief in

874
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,240
ghosts there if you can get over the

875
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:18,960
sometimes awkward expression it makes

876
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,160
for some interesting if brief context

877
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,400
this is a growing phenomena around the

878
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:26,800
world marked significantly by people

879
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,240
wearing military style jungle camouflage

880
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,400
at night

881
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,960
horusca believers more narcissistic and

882
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,359
less intelligent

883
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,520
psychologists from lund university in

884
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,160
sweden surveyed more than 250 people

885
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,160
about their beliefs in astrology and

886
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,400
their personality profiles

887
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:47,920
they found that those with strong

888
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,240
beliefs scored more highly in narcissism

889
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,200
but lower in intelligence however they

890
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:55,200
also found that belief in horoscopes was

891
00:39:03,829 --> 00:38:58,839
linked to traits of agreeableness and

892
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,839
extroversion nicholas cage was a vampire

893
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,240
based on an 1870 photograph whose

894
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,560
subject looks like cage thus indicating

895
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,280
that the actor is immortal

896
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,599
actually this story is not that silly

897
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,119
but it's another example of where the

898
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,880
writers or editors should try to

899
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,640
overcome the stilted english that

900
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,200
detracts from the piece

901
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,720
the december 2021 issue of the skeptic

902
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,560
will feature a complete coverage of the

903
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,560
great australian psychic prediction

904
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,040
project possibly the largest of its kind

905
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,200
ever undertaken and destined to be a

906
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,040
reference for future discussion on the

907
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,119
topic of psychics

908
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:38,880
but no need to wait for your dose of

909
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,640
skepticism as the september 2021 issue

910
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,880
is available with a major feature on

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00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,440
some recent publications and one old one

912
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,160
and the in-depth response as to where

913
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,000
there might be problems plus a whole

914
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,320
range of stuff on aspects of religions

915
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:57,280
and a lot more so if you haven't

916
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,400
subscribed yet now is the time to do so

917
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,320
contact the editor if you're not sure if

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00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,319
your existing subscription needs

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00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,920
renewing

920
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events

921
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,200
while some skeptic groups are running

922
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,560
their regular skeptics in the pub

923
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,880
get-togethers online saying talks but

924
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,359
bring your own beer an increasing number

925
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:17,280
are returning to the live face-to-face

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00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,319
format

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00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,480
check your local guides to see when and

928
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,880
where such activities are on or if they

929
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,040
are on considering any covet

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00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,440
restrictions

931
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,000
items of interest

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00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,839
horrifying half man half dog captured on

933
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,119
camera

934
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,640
we don't normally reference these

935
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,880
pictures we get a gazillion of them

936
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:41,200
every week and most are extremely

937
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,480
unimpressive

938
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,240
this one is more interesting than some

939
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,800
because of an australian link but if you

940
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,200
can recognize the half man half dog in

941
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,520
the pick then you're better than us

942
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:53,680
and this doesn't look like the

943
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,720
outback we know

944
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,680
man claims he's found bigfoot and made

945
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,440
its video oh not again

946
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,920
[Laughter]

947
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,240
what's with these paranormalists who

948
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:08,880
can't put two words together to speak

949
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,390
and what's with people who post videos

950
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,599
where you can't see anything honestly 14

951
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:20,480
minutes of quote did you see that end

952
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,359
quote

953
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,240
no and funny voices and static on some

954
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,720
electronic equipment wildly interpreted

955
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,680
as messages from the dead and there

956
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,280
we've just saved you from having to

957
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,960
watch it

958
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,640
and that's all for this newsletter

959
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,400
thanks for listening i think it's time

960
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,160
for me to find some more waffles

961
00:41:41,850 --> 00:41:40,319
upstairs and enjoy the rest of the

962
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:41,860
skeptic zone

963
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:57,030
i'm mick west in my podcast tales from

964
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,240
the rabbit hole i have extended

965
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,680
conversations with people who've been

966
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,000
involved in conspiracy culture i do this

967
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,680
for a couple of reasons firstly because

968
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,960
it's really interesting these people

969
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,640
have great stories about how they fell

970
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,319
down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole

971
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,160
what they did down there and what it was

972
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,920
that helped them out sometimes i also

973
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:13,040
talk to people who investigate

974
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,400
conspiracy theories and they have

975
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,839
equally fascinating stories from the

976
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:18,160
other side secondly i want to understand

977
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,440
how best to prevent the spread of

978
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,119
conspiracy theories and misinformation

979
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,960
which is an increasing problem in a time

980
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,359
when alternative media is exploding the

981
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,280
best way to do this is to communicate

982
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,280
effectively with the people involved and

983
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,200
the best way to do that is with a nice

984
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,640
long chat

985
00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:35,200
check it out tales from the rabbit hole

986
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:37,670
tftrh.com

987
00:43:00,109 --> 00:42:57,349
now it's time once again to peer into

988
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,119
those pages at trove

989
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,160
trove.nla.gov dot a u the online

990
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,079
resource from the australian government

991
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,920
and the national library of australia

992
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,599
digitized newspapers gazettes

993
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:09,599
periodicals

994
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,040
journals diaries magazines and so on

995
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,760
going back decades and decades and even

996
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,880
centuries

997
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,400
now in the past few weeks we've been

998
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,160
looking at various alternative medicines

999
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,880
and this week i thought we'd look at the

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00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,079
uh

1001
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,119
poster boy the pinup the

1002
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,280
archetypal quackery

1003
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:31,440
the beat all quackeries

1004
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,470
now i'm sure skeptic zone fans don't

1005
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,119
need a lecture about homeopathy and what

1006
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,680
other quackery it is but it's worth

1007
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,280
swinging by

1008
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,040
wikipedia

1009
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,319
ah because partly because i know

1010
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,839
susan goebeck and the team at gorilla

1011
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,520
skepticism

1012
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,119
pedia have been

1013
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,640
looking at this page

1014
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,000
it says

1015
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,640
homeopathy or homeopathy because there's

1016
00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:02,880
two spellings of the word

1017
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,200
is a

1018
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:06,720
pseudoscientific system of alternative

1019
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,160
medicine it was conceived in

1020
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,160
1796 by the german physician samuel

1021
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,480
hellermann its practitioners called

1022
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,119
homeopaths believe that a substance that

1023
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,359
causes symptoms of a disease in healthy

1024
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,200
people can cure

1025
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,599
similar symptoms in sick people this

1026
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,319
doctrine is called like givers like

1027
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,359
homeopathic preparations are termed

1028
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:30,640
remedies

1029
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,560
and are made using homeopathic dilution

1030
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,040
in this process the selected substance

1031
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,359
is repeatedly diluted until the final

1032
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,680
product is chemically indistinguishable

1033
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,680
from the dilutant

1034
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,599
often not even a single molecule of the

1035
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,359
original substance can be expected to

1036
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,200
remain in the product

1037
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,680
between each dilution homeopaths may hit

1038
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,720
and or

1039
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,880
shake the product claiming this makes

1040
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,200
these lutein remember the original

1041
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,440
substance after its removal

1042
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,040
practitioners claim that such

1043
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,680
preparations upon oral intake can treat

1044
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,560
or cure disease and i'll just quickly

1045
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,599
read the

1046
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,640
last line of the next paragraph

1047
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,560
the fundamental implausibility of

1048
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:14,800
homeopathy as well as a lack of

1049
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,839
demonstratable

1050
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,640
effectiveness has led it being

1051
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:20,560
characterized within the scientific and

1052
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,839
medical communities as quackery

1053
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,640
and

1054
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:26,160
fraud

1055
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:27,440
now

1056
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,870
[Music]

1057
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:38,560
now let's begin

1058
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,079
in the year 1867

1059
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,359
1867 geelong advertiser saturday the

1060
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,200
11th of may

1061
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,119
homeopathy

1062
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,440
the following cure has been communicated

1063
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:53,839
by lord malden

1064
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:57,000
in a letter to the editor of the field

1065
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,480
[Music]

1066
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,560
and i'll spare you the voice i'll just

1067
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,800
quote this quote

1068
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:04,880
i have no wish to enter into a

1069
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,760
discussion of the relative merits of all

1070
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:10,480
apathy and homeopathy

1071
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,640
but i simply wish to state a fact in the

1072
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,200
treatment of distemper

1073
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,079
last spring my young hounds

1074
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,680
30 couple were taken with it in a very

1075
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,319
severe form soon after they came into

1076
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:27,599
kennel

1077
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,880
they were heated under the old system

1078
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,040
and i'll stop there to suspect there

1079
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:34,720
could be a typo

1080
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,160
it should probably read treated anyway

1081
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:40,720
it says heated they were heated under

1082
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,920
the old system and in a very short time

1083
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,040
14

1084
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,800
and a half couple

1085
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,000
died

1086
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:50,000
and their sixth couple lying in what i

1087
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,880
called

1088
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,760
the condemned cell with scarcely a hope

1089
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,520
of recovery

1090
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,560
they were in the last state of

1091
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,119
exhaustion and some of them

1092
00:47:04,109 --> 00:47:02,640
stone blind

1093
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,119
being a strong

1094
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:05,680
homeopathist

1095
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:08,720
i determined to try what the medicine

1096
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,640
would do for them and sent for mr moore

1097
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,040
of upper berkeley street

1098
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:17,520
one hound died half an hour after he

1099
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,400
came

1100
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,359
but in 48 hours or less there was a

1101
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:23,680
visible change for the better in the

1102
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,720
rest

1103
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:26,880
and eventually they all entirely

1104
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,680
recovered i am convinced that if masters

1105
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,480
of hounds would only adopt the system

1106
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,880
more than half the hounds that die

1107
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,280
in that fatal disease

1108
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,000
would be saved

1109
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,599
signed

1110
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,960
malden

1111
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,119
sounds like he's gone to the dogs but

1112
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,359
this is another thing i will cover

1113
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,319
briefly it says here early on

1114
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,160
i have no wish to enter into a

1115
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:54,559
discussion on the relative merits of all

1116
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,520
opathy and homeopathy and for those of

1117
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,359
you who don't know

1118
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,960
olopathi

1119
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,800
is a term much

1120
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,359
loved by homeopaths it's

1121
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,359
a sort of a way to put down real

1122
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,559
medicine

1123
00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:10,720
and a quick uh look at wiki says

1124
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:16,950
a-l-l-o-p-a-t-h-i-c allopathic

1125
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,520
allopathic medicine or olipathy

1126
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,839
is an archaic term used to define

1127
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,480
science-based modern medicine the terms

1128
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,800
were coined in 1810 by the inventor of

1129
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,359
homeopathy samuel hannemann

1130
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:33,200
it was originally used by 19th century

1131
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,800
homeopaths as a derogatory term for

1132
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,400
heroic medicine

1133
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:40,720
the traditional european medicine of the

1134
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,119
time as a precursor to modern medicine

1135
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,640
so

1136
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,640
there you go it's and it's still years

1137
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,400
yeah they still like to use that term as

1138
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:52,000
if there's

1139
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,680
two forms of medicine their own

1140
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,480
homeopathy which obviously works and all

1141
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,640
apathy which they consider to be less

1142
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,680
effective

1143
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:02,640
now let's look here at the next entry we

1144
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,160
find from the year 1936

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glenn innis examiner

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tuesday the 13th of october

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formerly we were ridiculed and oppressed

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today we have a hearing said dr c.e

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wheeler of london

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in his presidential address at glasgow

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recently to the international

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homeopathic congress

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00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,680
there is a change in the medical world

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the specialist is difficult to handle

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00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,160
but the general practitioner remains a

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00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,960
hopeful subject for our appeal the form

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00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,119
of that appeal must be two-fold they

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should represent their doctrine in the

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00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,040
light of their knowledge they required

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to present their clinical results in a

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form that took more heed of prejudice

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and skepticism and allowed for modern

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scientific handling of statistics

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doctors from 20 countries attended the

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congress says the evening news the

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principle of homeopathy was evolved

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over a hundred years ago by samuel

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hanuman a german physician who believed

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that it was

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better to give a patient a small dose of

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a drug

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than a large dose

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and as we remember

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in fact

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the patient gets no dose whatsoever

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and here we have an

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interesting report an interesting

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letter

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from a sort of an unexpected source this

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comes to us from

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education journal of the new south wales

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public school teachers federation dated

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the 27th of july

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2015 not so long ago

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and it's a letter by one robert wonga

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and it says

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fund wastes money on homeopathy

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i noticed that the teachers health fund

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still includes homeopathy among the

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services for which it provides benefits

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the national health and medical research

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council nhmrc

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00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,800
website states that quote based on the

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00:51:12,990 --> 00:51:10,480
assessment of the evidence of the

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effectiveness of homeopathy

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00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,839
nhmrc concludes that there is no health

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conditions for which there is reliable

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evidence that homeopathy is effective

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end quote when i asked the teachers

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health fund why it was still continuing

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to pay out on ineffective services

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00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,240
part of its reply was quote as a large

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proportion of our membership base

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does claim for alternative therapies

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consultations and attest to their

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00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:43,440
effectiveness it is unlikely that

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00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:46,640
teachers health would ever cease paying

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00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:49,839
benefits for these services entirely end

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quote i had thought that teachers were

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educated people with at least some

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knowledge of science and the way it

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works it seems however

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that i am wrong would anyone like to

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join me in quote snake oil service end

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quote

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bitter pill that cures all ills end

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00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,599
quote and that signed alan torrance

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retired

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00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,359
and we have a follow-up

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from the same journal

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from the 7th of september 2015.

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consider the many

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00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,160
i fully endorse alan tauren's comments

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regarding the teachers health fund

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00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,559
paying rebates for homeopathy

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00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,359
fun wastes money on homeopathy letters

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july 27

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when there is no evidence based to

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00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,559
support this

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00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:42,880
these funds could be used to increase

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00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,520
rebates in areas where there exists

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00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:47,680
evidence regarding the positive benefits

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00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,559
of a service it is time the health fund

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considered its wider members

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signed gordon broadhead casual

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good on you gordon

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00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,400
and finally again in a slightly

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00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,720
different vein we have

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the

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tauren's news from queensland

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from thursday island in fact queensland

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00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,040
dated the 2nd of january 2004

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and it seems to be a review of a

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00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,359
television show

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00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,760
broadcast on the sbs network here in

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00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,880
australia

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on

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00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:26,839
8 30 tuesday 6th of

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00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:30,800
january cutting edge the alternative fix

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00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,440
this u.s frontline documentary examines

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00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,480
the explosion in the popularity and

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00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,640
profitability of complementary and

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00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,240
alternative treatments

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00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,920
under pressure from everyone from

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00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:43,760
consumers to congress

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00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,960
and tempted by huge grants major

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00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,800
hospitals and medical schools have

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00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,599
embraced therapies that they once

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00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,520
dismissed as quackery

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00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:56,160
so accepted in fact have alternative

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00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,280
medical

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00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,480
treatments become that entire center of

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00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:02,480
the national institute of health is now

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00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,599
devoted to it but the question remains

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00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:08,000
do these treatments actually work

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00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:11,200
the alternative fix screening in cutting

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00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,559
edge on tuesday 6 january at 8 30 pm

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00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,240
examines the controversy over

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00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,720
complementary and alternative medical

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00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:20,880
treatments a growing number of americans

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00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:21,960
have become

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00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,800
disenfranchised with modern health care

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00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:26,559
leading them to seek alternative

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00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,480
therapies from acupuncture to homeopathy

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00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,400
herbal supplements to chiropractic

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00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:34,800
complementary and alternative medicine

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00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:35,920
cam

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00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:39,760
has become a 48 billion dollar industry

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00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,559
in america one that traditional

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00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,799
hospitals and medical schools are now

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00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,559
eagerly embracing

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00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:49,040
but do these treatments actually work

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00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,480
are they safe

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00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:52,880
and have medical professionals put aside

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00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,799
their doubts in the efficacy of

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00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,119
complementary medicine treatments in

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00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,559
order to cash in on a multi-million

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00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:02,400
dollar market

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00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,309
well that's just a brief selection of

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00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,240
the many hundreds of references to

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00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,119
homeopathy in australian digitized

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00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,000
archives over the years and as i said

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00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,839
near the beginning of the segment

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00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,240
and yes homeopathy is the textbook

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00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,839
definition

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00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,599
of quackery

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00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:29,359
thank you to those good people at trove

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00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,119
who do the hard work in digitizing all

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00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,040
these journals and newspapers

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00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:35,760
and you can benefit just as i do by

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00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:42,390
and you never know

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00:56:03,980 --> 00:55:46,200
what quackery you might find

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00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,349
[Applause]

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00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,119
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,880
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00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,400
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they didn't get any fish and chips

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00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:13,040
they're not very happy with me oh

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there's one

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00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:19,040
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00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,079
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00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,559
a talk for skeptics in the pub in sweden

1338
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,960
that talk is online talks about my

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00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,480
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1340
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:14,160
prediction project and i will link to

1341
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,119
that talk

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00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,359
in this week's show notes

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00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,520
coming up on next week's episode the

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00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,079
trove segment is going to look at

1345
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:24,839
seances mediums and

1346
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,160
uh interesting things like that

1347
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what was that

1348
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:33,440
that's not a that's not a loriket

1349
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:36,640
i think that's a noisy indian miner up

1350
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,829
it's a bird watchers paradise but for

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00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,440
this week

1352
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,680
this is richard saunders signing off

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